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Dari Grammar and Phrase Book Review

Dari Grammar and Phrase Book
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Dari Grammar and Phrase Book ReviewBought the book, deployed in afghanistan, transitioning from arabic to dari. For those looking for a starter book, this is not it. Its definately written at a linguist level and above. Way more information than will help you on the streets of Kabul. Ive shown it to all of my translators and they all say its way more indepth than you would ever need, unless you are getting a doctorate in the study of the language. Thier are typos but it doesnt detract from the book too much. Phrases are good, but no way to quickly find what your looking for.Dari Grammar and Phrase Book Overview"Dari Grammar & Phrasebook is the result of many years research and teaching. It has two parts. Part one (grammar) is a systematic presentation of Dari sound system(phonology, word formation (morphology) and sentence structure (syntax). Each chapter begins with an introduction. This is followed by analysis of the new concepts providing plenty of examples and illustrations. Next comes the chapter summary. Each chapter in part one ends with exercises.Part two (phrasebook) is about how to communicate with Afghans on a variety of situations(topics). This part first discusses language functions such as asking, ordering, requesting, apologizing, persuading, and so on. The second part is about topics or situations involving shopping, health, transportation, security, government and so on. The relevant vocabulary under each topic are listed into nouns, verbs and adjectives. The topics also include cross-cultural notes and proverbs."--This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

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Colloquial Persian (Colloquial Series) Review

Colloquial Persian (Colloquial Series)
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Colloquial Persian (Colloquial Series) ReviewThis is better than Thackston's "An Introduction to Persian", which can be forbidding for beginners. It differs from Thackston in that it's emphasis is on spoken Persian rather than written Persian. However, having said that, neither book really does much to teach you how to read or write. They should be viewed more as refreshers and practice guides. Also, Rafiee's book comes with a key to the exercises and a cassette to aid in pronunciation, which Thackston's book lacks.Colloquial Persian (Colloquial Series) OverviewColloquial Persian is easy to use and completely up-to-date!Specially written by an experienced teacher for self-study or class use, the course offers you a step-by-step approach to written and spoken Persian. No prior knowledge of the language is required.What makes this new edition of Colloquial Persian your best choice in personal language learning?Interactive - lots of exercises for regular practice.Clear - concise grammar notes.Practical - useful vocabulary and pronunciation guide.Complete - including answer key and reference section.Whether you're a business traveller, or about to take up a daring challenge in adventure tourism; you may be studying to teach or even looking forward to a holiday - if you'd like to get up and running with Persian, this rewarding course will take you from complete beginner to confidently putting your language skills to use in a wide range of everyday situations.Accompanying audio material is available to purchase separately on CDs or in MP3 format, or comes included in the great value Colloquial Persian paperback and CDs complete course. Recorded by native speakers, the audio material complements the book and will help develop your listening and pronunciation skills.

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Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 2 Review

Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 2
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Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 2 ReviewThe other reviews have said it well already, but I just want to add that this series of books is pretty much unusable. Unfortunately, they haven't allowed 'search inside,' or maybe fortunately for the authors, because if you glance through this book you can quickly see how deeply flawed it is. One sees what they're trying to do--and someone should eventually make a book that deals effectively with the Persian colloqiual/written-standard divide--but they don't get the job done. I haven't heard the CDs, but the other reviews cover those.Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 2 OverviewAlthough Persian is one of the world's oldest languages, in its modern form it is still spoken by more than forty million people in Iran and by more than twenty million people elsewhere. These volumes provide students from beginning to intermediate levels with a mastery of modern Persian (also known as farsi) and with an understanding of colloquial Persian.The books offer extended vocabulary, grammar, and essays on aspects of Iranian culture. Volume I emphasizes speaking and understanding, and Volume 2 focuses on the written language. The first to teach Persian as a living language, Modern Persian incorporates the most effective methodologies and the most recent cultural and linguistic changes occurring in Iran. Donald Stilo is a scientist at Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, working on the Northwest Iranian Language Project in the Linguistics Department. Kamran Talattof is associate professor of Near Eastern Studies at the University of Arizona, Tucson. Jerome W. Clinton was professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.

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Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 1 (Yale Language) Review

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Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 1 (Yale Language) ReviewI wrote a rather lengthy review of the first part of this book in September 2007. It is now November 2007 and I can write a shorter review: DON'T BUY THIS BOOK. INSTRUCTORS: Read this book thoroughly before you adopt it. If you still want to use it for your class, you had better be ready to work very hard to overcome its tremendous weaknesses. The earlier review that I wrote follows. If I were to update that review now, it would probably be longer than Amazon would allow and more negative than anyone would want to read. I blame the authors less than I blame Yale University Press. Is there no editor there who has some sense of what a language text should be like these days? It's a shame because this could be an outstanding book for someone who wants to learn major aspects of the language, especially the spoken language, and the culture. But the authors must take it beyond somebody's lecture notes. Apparently no one at Yale University Press knows how to help them do that.
Every book has merit. Especially one published by the Yale University Press and whose authors include one from Princeton University, one from the University of Arizona and the other from Max Planck Institute. Right? So I thought, but, for me, this book has shaken, though not yet destroyed, that belief. The most serious and obvious shortcoming of this book is that there is only one CD, for the two-volume set of books. On p. xvii of the Introduction the authors say they "emphasize learning by ear from the very first lesson". These days that ought to mean copious materials on numerous CDs. (Compare Jain's single volume, Introduction to Hindi Grammar with 9 CDs. For Arabic, compare Brusted et al. Alif Baa and Al-Kitaab with several beautifully made DVDs.) Not only is there relatively little on the CDs, but what I've heard so far isn't done thoughtfully. The very first track is 20 seconds long. Fully 10 of those seconds are taken up by an American (a secretary? a graduate student? a work-study student? certainly not a professional voice actress) who announces "Modern Persian Spoken and Written" (no surprise given that the CD came with the book of the same name), "Volume 1, lesson 1, 1.4 Dialogue 1". My most enduring memory of that track is the number of times she says the number 1 in an American accent. I was expecting to hear Farsi. It would have been better even had someone with a heavy Iranian accent introduced the track in English. On the third track you can hear somebody turning pages in the background; the Dialogue is only 7 lines long so no one needed to be turning pages to make sure they were reading their part correctly. The page-turning during the recording strikes me as thoughtless and yes, even a little lazy and ill-prepared.
There are things I like about the book, e.g. its plainness. Too many modern texts, langauge and otherwise (e.g for Italian, Lazzarino et al. ) have margins decorated with colored pictures, additional material, a dozen other words not included in the regular vocabulary, et c. It makes for a captivating collage but I find it detracts from focussing on the material. On the other hand, Modern Persian is pretty much plain text and I like that. However the entire text is double-spaced, so I feel I'm spending a lot of time flipping back through pages when I want to refer back to previous material. Single-spacing could reduce that.
In their favor the authors say that they have designed the book for extensive classroom interaction, and that they have done. There are indeed numerous exercises, substitution drills included. It would not detract from those to put them on CDs also.
In the Introduction they offer a notation for indicating word stress, intonation and sentence stress. Alright, that can somewhat make up for the lack of CDs. Sadly here again, their efforts are marked by what seems to me to be thoughtlessness and inconsistency. On p. xxx, they say that "In the first two lessons, the contours of sentence intonation are marked by lines that run below, through and above the sentence". That simply isn't true. In the first lesson I found that they use the stated notation on only 6 occasions in a chapter with dozens of sentences. In lesson Two, by my count, the number of times they use the stated notation drops precipitously to 0. To be fair to them, they say on p. xxx, that "Intonation contours will not be indicated everywhere ...". Alright, but on p. 12, they begin using a completely different, completely unexplained notation consisting of forward and backward slashes and underlining. So what does the underlining mean? Back to p. xxx where we're told occasionally boldface will be substituted for underlining. They say also that "after the first two lessons, we have used the italic, bold or underline to mark the one syllable receiving the principal stress in a sentence". Actually they don't wait for after the first two lessons; to indicate stress, they seem to use underlining also in the first two lessons, as well as the 6 instances of the originally stated notation, as well as the unexplained notation. Then they use underlining for other things. For example: On p. 12 in the unexplained notation for intonation, every syllable is underlined, everything is underlined including the forward and backward slashes, the only exceptions being the period and the final forward slash. On p. 20, in Drill 8, underlining is used for the words to be substituted for and we're supposed to refer back to Drill 3 to see what intonation to use and that Drill shows that the sentence stress falls on the '-ran' (underlined) of 'tehran' while back to Drill 8, the entire word 'tehran' is underlined because it's to be substituted for. On p. 21, §1.8 this appears: "khub-e"; it's a short sentence, both syllables are underlined and that means what???!!! as far as sentence stress is concerned? Because elsewhere you can find "khub-e". Alright, this is the eleventh language I've studied and in general I'm an experienced learner, so I can flip back and forth and figure out what the authors intended... ,eventually ... ,maybe. But why should I have to? A text is supposed to minimize those kinds of obstacles for the reader, so the learner can focus on the language. And the obstacle here is perfectly and easily avoidable: use a single notation for indicating the one syllable in a sentence that is to receive the main stress, e.g. use italics and then don't use italics for anything else. The authors wouldn't need to go through the effort and expense of making lots of CDs to do that. It would require only a clear-headed decision and then to follow through thoughtfully on that. Alright the authors are academics and maybe their book has evolved over the years from class notes that date to a pre-computer-no-CD era; it shows all the signs of that. But if a publisher, like Yale University Press, is going to publish a language book these days and charge about $80 for it, there ought to be editors, colleagues or at least a graduate student, who can straighten out the authors' inconsistencies of notation.
One last thing, and here maybe I'm mistaken because I'm just starting out in Persian, and maybe there are variants of words that I am not yet aware of. But by my reading, the very first word that they offer in a meaningful way (p. 8 Cultural Materials: Greetings), and not just practice in pronunciation, don't worry about the meaning, is the word 'tekrar'. At least it appears that way everywhere else that I see it. But on p. 8, it appears thus: 'tekar'. Is that an acceptable variant of 'tekrar'? Is it just me? Or is that a significant typo in the first meaningful Persian word of the book? Alright, every book has typos. But in light of everything else I've said above, I think it is emblematic of a none-to-polished effort, to judge by the first two chapters at least. (By the way, 'tekrar' means 'repeat' which, in my view of things, is not a Greeting, but rather an expression useful in the classroom.)
I'll continue because I want to learn some Persian, because I've got to believe in the reputation of Yale University Press and in the reputations of the institutions where the authors work and because I want to believe that eventually the authors' obviously good intentions will deliver the goods later on in the book. But dear authors put yourself, thoughtfully and consistently, in the place of those who want to learn some Persian but don't already know any. The people you recognize in the Acknowledgements have let you down and not told you some obvious truths about your book, the most important of which is: YOU CAN DO A MUCH, MUCH BETTER JOB.Modern Persian: Spoken and Written, Volume 1 (Yale Language) OverviewAlthough Persian is one of the world's oldest languages, in its modern form it is still spoken by more than forty million people in Iran and by more than twenty million people elsewhere. These volumes provide students from beginning to intermediate levels with a mastery of modern Persian (also known as farsi) and with an understanding of colloquial Persian.The books offer extended vocabulary, grammar, and essays on aspects of Iranian culture. Volume I emphasizes speaking and understanding, and Volume 2 focuses on the written language. The first to teach Persian as a living language, Modern Persian incorporates the most effective methodologies and the most recent cultural and linguistic changes occurring in Iran.

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Spoken Persian (Spoken Language Ser) Review

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Spoken Persian (Spoken Language Ser) ReviewThis is one of the Spoken Language Series, which began during the Second World War when the U.S. government hired the best linguists of the day to produce courses that would teach languages to soldiers fast. It is the same method used to teach languages to U.S. diplomats today.
The book presents colloquial, everyday language and teaches forms that appear only in conversation. It is not as useful for learning reading. It is an effective and very enjoyable way to learn languages.
However, the student should also consider Wheeler Thackston's "Introduction to Persian," which is more recent, and has, in my opinion, caused "Spoken Persian" to drop to second place. Thackston has nine sound cassettes available--if not from the book dealer, then from the publisher (that is where I got them); it teaches spoken and written Persian, lacks the defects of previous textbooks, and is more thorough, effective and enjoyable than any of its rivals.Spoken Persian (Spoken Language Ser) OverviewEveryday speech in Iran. Text in Roman transcription and Persian script.--This text refers to the Audio Cassette edition.

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Farsi (Spoken World) Review

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Farsi (Spoken World) ReviewMy reaction has been quite opposite that of the other reviewer. While this is not the only Persian textbook you'll ever need, it is just right for someone new to the language. I find that this course covers a lot of material and is clearly written, engaging, and well paced. Previous to this course I was using Thackston's "An Introduction to Persian," and I completed over half of his course before finally giving up in favor of Living Language's.
While Thackston was intelligible and comprehensive, the book's bare-bones, disconnected presentation leaves much to be desired. You'll learn grammatical concepts and little else. There is no dialog, no cultural or contextual information, only a handful of rote exercises, and a fairly useless set of vocabulary. There is almost no chance to practice or review what you've learned. Complicated constructions are consigned to explanations of a few terse and highly technical sentences. His explanations are more akin to those of a reference grammar than an introductory course. After assiduously working through the bulk of the book, I found myself more suited to parse verbs than to read or speak any Persian. I would probably recommend his book for those interested in reading Persian for academic reasons, or possibly as a follow-up to an actual introductory course like this one.
Living Language's course was a pleasant contrast. Suddenly, I was 1) given interesting dialog; 2) introduced to useful and relevant vocabulary; 3) taught the key grammatical concepts in a clear and logical manner; 4) given many opportunities to practice what I've learned in a variety of contexts; 5) provided with a variety of cultural highlights and insights.
The grammar explanations are excellent, albeit too quickly paced at times. I'm at a loss as to why another reviewer bemoans the presentation of the verb. Yes, the author likes to provide more explanation than a stark conjugation chart. The conjugations are there, but they are introduced in helpful and logical ways.
For example, Thackston adopts the traditional approach: first, he presents the infinitive (eg. raftan, "to go"), then demonstrates (I won't say "teaches") how to derive the past stem (raft) by dropping the infinitive ending (-an). He then demonstrates how the past tense is formed by the addition of person/number endings (raftam "I went", rafti "you went"... etc.) He doesn't introduce the present tense (which has a separate verbal stem) until almost half-way through the book!
In contrast, Living Language introduces the uses of the verb in a rational order, starting with the various forms of the present tense and proceeding to the past tenses, future, etc. This way is much more natural. I'm not sure what anyone could find objectionable about this presentation.
As for the complaint that the inclusion of colloquial usage is somehow inaccurate and confusing, I did not find it this way. Instead, it is characterized by a few predictable rules, and it was instructive to see how the formal grammar translates into daily speech. When colloquial speech is being used in the book, it is marked as such, and the more formal written variant is presented. If there are any inaccuracies, I would ask critics to refer to them specifically.
This course includes six CDs: three to accompany the book and three to use at any time. The dialogs are delivered at a reasonable pace and provide good practice. The two narrators, a man and a woman, do a good job, although I often found that the woman enunciates words more clearly. The "at home" CDs are audio of the Persian in each chapter; the "on-the-go" ones provide a four or five handy drills for each chapter, starting with a short dialog and then prompting you to create or alter sentences.
My main complaint that the chapters contain too much content; namely several grammatical concepts and several vocabulary lists. I think the book would be better if it were divided into more chapters (from 15 to maybe 20 or 25) with smaller portions of grammar and vocabulary. Also, vocabulary is introduced that is not used in the chapter's dialog or exercises, something that I find frustrating.
A final caveat: I learned to read and write the Persian alphabet before this course, so I did not have a chance to evaluate its presentation in this book. All of the Persian script in this book is accompanied by a phonetic transcription, but I would recommend that any beginner spend some time learning the fundamentals of reading and writing. My suggestion is write out the alphabet in full as many times as you can stomach, repeating the sound/name of each letter out loud as you do so.
Overall, I find Living Language's Farsi to be a solid and interesting introduction to Persian.Farsi (Spoken World) OverviewThis simple and effective introduction to Farsi will teach you everything you need to speak, understand, read, and write in Farsi.This program assumes no background in the language, and it explains each new concept clearly with plenty of examples, making it ideal for beginners or anyone who wants a thorough review.Living Language Farsi includes:·A course book and six audio CDs·Two unique sets of recordings, one for use with the book, and a second for use anywhere to review and reinforce·Natural dialogues, clear grammar notes, vocabulary building, and key expressions·Plenty of practice, both written and recorded·Notes on culture, cuisine, history, geography, and more·Real life "discovery" activities and internet resources·An extensive two-way glossary

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